you are %$#&&^^))*^% moron. First you say on Megyn Kelly’s show that more gov spending will fix our financial problems. Hello-when your credit card is maxed out STOP SPENDING then you insult people who don’t have a college education stupid. Bill Gates of Microsoft didn’t finish college. IS he stupid? What is YOUR degree in? Maybe everyone that majors in your major is stupid. Youre a fucking moron who doesn’t deserve to have a platform. I hope you lose your job.
You know why liberals meaning democrats are in such trouble. It is because they are arrogant morons. Saw you today on fox. Let’s see anyone who does not agree with you is uneducated. Typical you sound like the idiot in the White House. And explain how your reasoning works. People hate republicans worse than democrats but prefer republicans in office. Is that because they don’t want to hate Obama and the democrats. So they figure if the republicans are in office then they don’t have to hate the democrats anymore. I trying to find an educated liberal. That is like Breitbart offering a reward for yelling racial slurs and spitting. No one would come forward to collect the ransom because they just couldn’t find an intelligent liberal.
Really - it’s not California’s fault that they’re billions in debt - it’s because of the recession? It’s got NOTHING to do with all the people and businesses they’ve chased out of state with their draconian regulations and high taxes? And your spurious argument about having to fire “Policeteachersfiremen” if everyone else doesn’t bail them out (gee, that sounds kind of collectivist), is getting really tired and increasingly annoying - though if you and your ilk keep treating people as though they’re so stupid as to think the only jobs that would be cut are cops and firemen (frankly, I think most of the teachers in CA SHOULD lose their jobs) it’ll only help get the current regime out of office more quickly. You also like to imply that it’s lack of regulation that got us into the financial mess we’re in as though it had nothing to do with Barney’s mandates that banks make mortgages to people whom, by definition, weren’t likely to be able to repay them - and then compounded the problem by buying and reselling these mortgages as mortgage-backed securities. Frank AND Dodd should have been hounded out of Congress - they make Madoff look like a piker. There’s more regulation on banks and banking than we need: the problem isn’t lack of regulation (as if you didn’t know) it’s that we’ve got morons like Barney & friends WRITING the legislation. BTW, I really would like to hear your definition of Socialist, because if Mr. “collective salvation, there’s a point where you’ve made enough money, we need to tax (i.e. steal) more money from fat cats, and I want to re-distribute wealth” doesn’t fit that mold, I’m wondering about YOUR level of education.
After listening to your diatribe on Fox News w/M. Kelly, I firmly believe”higher education gave you, not an education, but a higher indoctrination. Your statements were very elitist and condescending. “Aw shucks, I’m jest a bumd truk dryver”and I ,yes even I, know you can not spend your way out of debt. How can one with so much education be so doltish?
I enjoy watching you on Fox News. It’s kind of a “point and counterpoint” with Megan Kelly.
You (and other Democrats) made the comment that Republicans ‘drove the economy into the ditch” and that Barack Obama has to drive us out.
It seems that you and your fellow liberals have forgotten that Congress spends the money, sets the budget, and makes the laws. Since January of 2007, Democrats have controlled Congress and the purse strings. Coincidentally, the economy started to tank after Democrats took over.
When Bill Clinton had a thriving economy, it occurred only after Republicans took control of Congress.
i just watch you on fox.how stupid american people are well you are an idiot you havent a clue about what are government is up to and i really think if you are educated.in my eyes you need to open your eyes to our new socialist government
hey mark , why do you keep referring to medicad and social security as socialism ? do we not pay into it ? was it not supposed to be used by those who paid it in ? i know back then people worked and had jobs as government didnt interfere but today in the last 18 months. this administration is running everything. auto industry , finacial now , healthcare… oh wait , that socialism . you tell me what socialism is . i say it this way , socialism is i have two cows and obama takes one and gives it to my neighbor , communism , obama takes them both and gives them away. capitolism is i tell obama to shove it and i can have as many cows as i want !! you take over now mr constitutional scholar ! oh aint that funny .. so is obama !
jane , i agree with you except for one thing. obama is finishing what clinton started. he started this recession in the 90’s by having fannie and freddie make more high risk loans that people couldnt pay and it took 5-6 years for that plan of clintons to take effect during the bush years and now obama is finishing by protecting all the people who arent or cant pay their mortgages and credit cards. he keep blaming bush , credit card companyys and banks for the recession while the whole time it’s government. they just passed financial reform which government now runs the financial sector . they cant mange their budget but now run ours.. BOY IS THAT A SCREWED UP MESS !
Cheryl, there’s a large difference between the borrowing capacity of the United States Government and you maxed out on your credit card. I agree that in good times, you should run a surplus. (That’s what Clinton did, but Bush took his wonderful economy and ran it into a ditch.)
My degrees? I have an economics degree magna cum laude from Harvard College and graduated in the top 2% of my class. I also am a Fulbright Scholar and have a Yale Law Degree.
Richard Rhodes, you confuse opinion and facts. I simply stated the poll results. I didn’t say people who disagree with me are uneducated. I showed that uneducated people that think Obama is a socialist (or Hitler-loving or not born in the USA) far more than educated people do. That’s a matter of fact, not my opinion.
Hope, you clearly believe everything you hear on FOX, but if you read economic analysis and other factual reports by non-partisans, you will see that virtually all of the “facts” you fervently believe are just Republican “spin” and, at best, half-truths.
It’s true that California got itself into a mess when voters voted by propositions to lower taxes and raise spending but that’s not true of the vast majority of states. If you really want to understand my point — rather than if you just want to trash me — please read any economic textbook on the difference between “structural deficits” and “recession-induced” deficits.
Also, it’s not a “bailout” when someone pays you the same salary you earned last year rather than firing you, even though you did nothing wrong.
By the way, Barney Frank SUPPORTED regulation of Fannie and Freddie and even passed a bill out of his Committee and the Democratic House within months of taking power to do just that. But Bush and the Republicans OPPOSED that regulation in 2007. Surprised? Look it up. And then maybe you’ll see that all the “facts” you think you know really aren’t facts at all. Open your eyes, Hope. You’ve been lied to.
Doug Hamilton, when you say, “you can’t spend your way out of debt,” you show a perfect understanding of microeconomics but, I’m afraid, an imperfect understanding of macroeconomics. Don’t worry. You’re in good company. Herbert Hoover thought exactly the same thing. That’s why, after Black October 1929 when the stock market crashed, he balanced the budget and turned a minor recession into the Great Depression.
In fact, a Government (but not an individual) CAN spend its way out of a recession, which is exactly what FDR did in the 1930’s and 1940’s. When an economy has unused resources, in fact, it is ONLY the Government that can stop the mutual circle of economic self-destruction of consumers not buying goods because they have no jobs and businesses not giving jobs because demand is down for their goods.
In sum, there’s not a single respected economist in America that does not think that John Maynard Keynes was right, that in times of unemployment, Government spending, plus the multiplier effect, is the solution.
If your goal is to understand what I’m saying and learn about it — even if it’s only to oppose me on a more intellectual basis –
Check these clips on my website:
Why We Need More Government Spending Now
& Economic History Lesson to FOX:
How Bush Messed Up the Economy
& Economics 101: Republicans Need Textbook on Government Spending
For more detail, please watch the last 15 minutes (begin at 0:45) from my television show here:
Don’t Drill, Baby, Drill
Spend, Baby, Spend!
That’s all, of course, if you want to understand and evaluate a position that’s different from yours. That’s what intellectuals do. I do it all the time. I constantly listen to and evaluate conservative intellectual arguments prior to responding to them.
If you wish to be uneducated and insulting, of course, you can always refuse to listen to the other side and just pretend that you know you’re right, when secretly, you must realize, that if you’ve never heard another side’s argument, you can’t possibly know what’s right or wrong.
So please listen. And comment. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Jane, the same Republican Congress under Bill Clinton gave us the largest surplus in American history and under George Bush gave us the largest deficit in American history. That tells me the difference had nothing to do with who was in Congress but who was in the Presidency. Clinton would never have allowed the profligate spending in good times that George Bush and Dick “Deficits Don’t Matter” Cheney gave us.
Wow, where to begin. Let’s just say you have no idea what you’re talking about. If you think the Government runs the financial and health care industries, you need to check with a real socialist, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, to see why he complains so fiercely about the power of big corporations.
Socialism is Medicare and Social Security. And both programs are well loved by the vast majority (more than 90% of Americans). We thrive best with a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
Mark,
You are in the select class of educated idiot…..just listened to a small portion of you on Fox..You label someone who thinks obama is a socialist as uneducated and not quite as smart as you…..you are an elitist punk. So, in your little world, if someone has a different view from you, you react like a spoiled little brat……I am college educated and would debate your spoiled, ingnorant, leftist views any time. I know your kind…spoiled little rich kid that was picked on and bullied as a child.. mommy and daddy set you up in your comfortable lifestyle, because they knew you couldn’t make it on your own…….i’ve got you figured out……here is your biggest problem…you may be book smart…..but quite ignorant in life settings….you are a small person with no moral values…w/ nothing to fall back on
Robin Eberle
Robin, remove the insults for just a second, if that’s possible for you, and see what’s left of your argument.
All you have left is that you really really really don’t like what a poll said. You hate the poll that showed overwhelmingly that far fewer of the educated believe Obama is a socialist than the uneducated.
This isn’t my “label.” This is a poll. Do you challenge the poll’s methodology? Don’t like it? Tell me why this poll and the many like it are wrong, rather than insulting me.
But you feel better insulting me rather than engaging in rational argument, don’t you? And what does that say about you? That you don’t know logic and can only resort to insult? I don’t know. But clearly, you must realize, with your college education, that insult and ad hominem attacks in place of logical argument are the province of those that already realize they are wrong and know they are powerless to use logic, intellect, or facts to fight their point.
So call me names all you like. It just goes to prove my point that you know I’m right and can’t make a cogent argument against it.
If you can make a cogent argument against this poll, please do so. If you don’t know how to make a cogent argument, let me help you.
1) Tell me why this poll is wrong. Attack its methodology.
2) If you can’t attack its methodology, then you must concede that uneducated people call Obama a socialist more frequently than educated people do.
But having concede that point, you could still make a cogent argument to explain the clear discrepancy other than lack of education. You could argue, for example, that it’s a mere coincident, that, for example, Republicans are far more uneducated that Democrats and since Republicans are far more likely to use “socialist” as an epithet against Obama, the correlation between uneducated and the use of the word “socialist” is not a direct correlation but that both are correlated with Republicans.
In other words, you could argue, that it’s not because people are uneducated that they call Obama socialist, it’s because Republicans call Obama socialist and Republicans are more uneducated and therefore, both uneducation and the socialist epithet are just correlative of Republicanism rather than each other.
Or perhaps you have some other argument? If you do, I’d like to hear it!
Sadly, though, people who insult me almost NEVER can construct a cogent argument against my views. If they could, they wouldn’t resort to insults!
U tend to agree with mark on Gov’t spending to pump the economy for the working stiffs. I have seen many a small business and many a corporation borrow to grow their business.
Seen them borrow to tough times when incomes had no disposability to purchase their products.
If the debt was more important to republicans they would have been concerned during the real spending years of Bush. Bot to take any pressure off President Obama to mind the debt. Yet, republicans seem bent on making Democrats pay off their ran up Gov’t credit debt.
many business take on debt (as risk) to grow their business. Doesn’t one invest money to increase theri profits?
There are other issues that must comply with this re investing into America. Investing in sustainable investments such as solar energy devices for example. Making them here which provides jobs that produces things made by our own natural resources. Vjanging policis on trade is one of those impotant legislative items that must be addressed with or without republicans. Our trade imbalance is at critical mass.
If you are working and think that you are safe in job security and a livable enviroment and it will stay that way for you.. If you think the mythical free market will wave its mysterious hand and correct al of this, then you are mistaken.
Here is something President Bush could have done to prevent some of this debt. Instead of giving two tax cuts to the wealthy during a time af two wats he borrowed to fund with interests to be repayed later by our children and grand children. President Bush could have not done the tax cuts during two wars. But the opposite. The president should have put a WAR TAX in place until the wars were over and the war debt was paid off. President Bush must have thought that a War Tax might stress conserative patriotism of fighting such wars.
Mark,
With FOX and friends like these who needs enemies?
I would like to say that when people bandy around “socialist” as something evil. They are attaching it to all those years of the soviet commmunist cold wars. Times of the nasty red Commie. Although they think nothing of it to purchase goods made in RED CHINA ! Nothing at all to have their beloved President Bush borrowing money from “COMMUNIST RED CHINA”! That our patriotic Amereican CEO’s moved to produce their product in RED COMMUNIST CHINA.
when a big oil deposit was found off the coast of Lybia, President Bush decided Mohamar kadafi was no longer a terrorist threat and before you can say big oil profits, Exxon/Mobil was drilling there and Lybia and America were best buddies.
yet on the “socailism” slander. If any of these folks have ever served in the military they would understand that it is drilled in your head in boot camp that you are as strong as the weakest link.
Socialism.
No it is not like the ARMY recruiting ad that boasts of, “an ARMY of one”. The one means WE.
No one wants Gov’t making their TV’s but I do not want ENRON legislating law or Goldman Sachs interpreting the Constitution which we will live by. AIG proved that private sectors cannot do everything better than Gov’t.
Gov’t is us not the corporate boards. But many want corporations to run us. A Blackwater employee that provides security for embassies cost Gov’t/tax payers about 20 to 30 times more than when the embassy security jobs were provided by the U.S> Marines and the marines were better at it.
Do these folks want pure corporatism? I know very well they don’t want Gov’t out of our lives as they say because they want Gov’t to get between a woman and her doctor when Abortion is on the table?
By the way, you sure have a knack at making friends.
“Oh, stop insulting me, even though I insult people all the time because I’m better than they are” says the democratic party brown nose looking for validation in his pointless little existence. The same old tired liberal line of thinking. You’re stuck in it and will never get out of it. Obama was raised by a communist, he sought out radicals (socialists and communists) in college because that was who he identified with, he attended a church FOR 20 YEARS that is run by a socialist that preaches socialist views. It looks like a whore, smells like a whore, talks like a whore…therefore it is a whore. He is a socialist you fucking moron. There is nothing to debate. You’re an elitist clown. You think you can talk around a point like this but you can’t. You’re attempting to be relevant and you’re not. Obama is a socialist, period. No degree of twisting or spinning will change that. But you go ahead and insult people that don’t have “your education.” “Intellectuals” like you are a joke because you lack anything resembling common sense. The dems are done in November asshole. Then you’ll have something new to bitch about…and we can ignore you.
Of course Chariaman NObama`s a Socialist, no question. Along the same theme, per your FoxNews interview with Kevin James, if you said that all who pay into Socialist Insecurity will get benefits, please set the record straight. FICA payers who don`t live to collect any Socialist Insecurity benefits, or have no eligible survivors, lose their `contributions` to the government.
If I misstated your position, I stand corrected.
hope , the recession is why california is in debt..LOL ! heres a few reason and it’s been going on for years… to big of a government , cap and trade , taxes , illegal immigrants and people think they can mix up a special drink to live forever. and now because they are broke they want to legalize pot for revenue ! the state is ran by idiots spelled democrats and progressive democrats and the only way the state will ever start to get out of the hole is when pelosi , boxer and other get kicked out.
and obama is a socialist , lets see , he for government run healthcare( like russia and canada) whats say so about what cars are built by his own words, wants control over insurance companys(refer to the healthcare bil ) banks( financial reform)err, sorry consumer protection ! wall stret , credit card companys.. again , under consumer protection.. wait , i get it, i spelled socialist wrong !! it’s spelled “CONSUMER PROTECTION” . HEY MARK… arent the courts there for a reason ? or is obama above that ! he’s a constitutional scholar too !
harry , also , when social ecurity and medi care started it was about people paying in and they got back. but government decided to open the door and misuse it. thats the shape it’s in now and why . socialism mark is when government takes from you and gives it to someone else . in this case obama takes it and calls it consumer protection because obama is using the clause in the constitution saying the governments job is to “protect us ” as an excuse to use consumer protection to violate the constitution and get by with it.
I have to give Rich the “Glenn Beck crying patriot tears award” for his, Rich Says:
July 18th, 2010 at 5:44 pm comment.
Written like a person that does too much shouting at others and less listening. You think he believes he is really convincing anyone of his ideas. Because all I read in his excelent post are FOX’s unsubstanciated accusations. For instance, Obama is a Muslim ! But Rich states Obama went to a Christian church?
It amazes me when people think America belongs to them only and the rest of America don’t count. Although when he talks about America as republican, why would republicans vote Dems in 2006, Why was it a “Thumping” in the House and the Senate, why? In 2008 McCain and Palin won what when Rich’s America voted? If America was right wing, like what Rich sees on FOX everyday, Obama would not be his President right?
Too many people approach Gov’t with political party as a sport and its about winning and not about America at all. Because when you use your freedom to hate all Americans of the America he loves so much?
July 15th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
you are %$#&&^^))*^% moron. First you say on Megyn Kelly’s show that more gov spending will fix our financial problems. Hello-when your credit card is maxed out STOP SPENDING then you insult people who don’t have a college education stupid. Bill Gates of Microsoft didn’t finish college. IS he stupid? What is YOUR degree in? Maybe everyone that majors in your major is stupid. Youre a fucking moron who doesn’t deserve to have a platform. I hope you lose your job.
July 15th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
You know why liberals meaning democrats are in such trouble. It is because they are arrogant morons. Saw you today on fox. Let’s see anyone who does not agree with you is uneducated. Typical you sound like the idiot in the White House. And explain how your reasoning works. People hate republicans worse than democrats but prefer republicans in office. Is that because they don’t want to hate Obama and the democrats. So they figure if the republicans are in office then they don’t have to hate the democrats anymore. I trying to find an educated liberal. That is like Breitbart offering a reward for yelling racial slurs and spitting. No one would come forward to collect the ransom because they just couldn’t find an intelligent liberal.
July 15th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Really - it’s not California’s fault that they’re billions in debt - it’s because of the recession? It’s got NOTHING to do with all the people and businesses they’ve chased out of state with their draconian regulations and high taxes? And your spurious argument about having to fire “Policeteachersfiremen” if everyone else doesn’t bail them out (gee, that sounds kind of collectivist), is getting really tired and increasingly annoying - though if you and your ilk keep treating people as though they’re so stupid as to think the only jobs that would be cut are cops and firemen (frankly, I think most of the teachers in CA SHOULD lose their jobs) it’ll only help get the current regime out of office more quickly. You also like to imply that it’s lack of regulation that got us into the financial mess we’re in as though it had nothing to do with Barney’s mandates that banks make mortgages to people whom, by definition, weren’t likely to be able to repay them - and then compounded the problem by buying and reselling these mortgages as mortgage-backed securities. Frank AND Dodd should have been hounded out of Congress - they make Madoff look like a piker. There’s more regulation on banks and banking than we need: the problem isn’t lack of regulation (as if you didn’t know) it’s that we’ve got morons like Barney & friends WRITING the legislation. BTW, I really would like to hear your definition of Socialist, because if Mr. “collective salvation, there’s a point where you’ve made enough money, we need to tax (i.e. steal) more money from fat cats, and I want to re-distribute wealth” doesn’t fit that mold, I’m wondering about YOUR level of education.
Sincerely,
Hope
July 15th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
After listening to your diatribe on Fox News w/M. Kelly, I firmly believe”higher education gave you, not an education, but a higher indoctrination. Your statements were very elitist and condescending. “Aw shucks, I’m jest a bumd truk dryver”and I ,yes even I, know you can not spend your way out of debt. How can one with so much education be so doltish?
July 15th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
I enjoy watching you on Fox News. It’s kind of a “point and counterpoint” with Megan Kelly.
You (and other Democrats) made the comment that Republicans ‘drove the economy into the ditch” and that Barack Obama has to drive us out.
It seems that you and your fellow liberals have forgotten that Congress spends the money, sets the budget, and makes the laws. Since January of 2007, Democrats have controlled Congress and the purse strings. Coincidentally, the economy started to tank after Democrats took over.
When Bill Clinton had a thriving economy, it occurred only after Republicans took control of Congress.
July 15th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
i just watch you on fox.how stupid american people are well you are an idiot you havent a clue about what are government is up to and i really think if you are educated.in my eyes you need to open your eyes to our new socialist government
July 15th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
hey mark , why do you keep referring to medicad and social security as socialism ? do we not pay into it ? was it not supposed to be used by those who paid it in ? i know back then people worked and had jobs as government didnt interfere but today in the last 18 months. this administration is running everything. auto industry , finacial now , healthcare… oh wait , that socialism . you tell me what socialism is . i say it this way , socialism is i have two cows and obama takes one and gives it to my neighbor , communism , obama takes them both and gives them away. capitolism is i tell obama to shove it and i can have as many cows as i want !! you take over now mr constitutional scholar ! oh aint that funny .. so is obama !
July 15th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
jane , i agree with you except for one thing. obama is finishing what clinton started. he started this recession in the 90’s by having fannie and freddie make more high risk loans that people couldnt pay and it took 5-6 years for that plan of clintons to take effect during the bush years and now obama is finishing by protecting all the people who arent or cant pay their mortgages and credit cards. he keep blaming bush , credit card companyys and banks for the recession while the whole time it’s government. they just passed financial reform which government now runs the financial sector . they cant mange their budget but now run ours.. BOY IS THAT A SCREWED UP MESS !
July 15th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
and did i mention.. obama is a socialist and marxist ! and progressive and just plain stu… aww , never-mind !
July 15th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Cheryl, there’s a large difference between the borrowing capacity of the United States Government and you maxed out on your credit card. I agree that in good times, you should run a surplus. (That’s what Clinton did, but Bush took his wonderful economy and ran it into a ditch.)
My degrees? I have an economics degree magna cum laude from Harvard College and graduated in the top 2% of my class. I also am a Fulbright Scholar and have a Yale Law Degree.
Richard Rhodes, you confuse opinion and facts. I simply stated the poll results. I didn’t say people who disagree with me are uneducated. I showed that uneducated people that think Obama is a socialist (or Hitler-loving or not born in the USA) far more than educated people do. That’s a matter of fact, not my opinion.
July 15th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Hope, you clearly believe everything you hear on FOX, but if you read economic analysis and other factual reports by non-partisans, you will see that virtually all of the “facts” you fervently believe are just Republican “spin” and, at best, half-truths.
It’s true that California got itself into a mess when voters voted by propositions to lower taxes and raise spending but that’s not true of the vast majority of states. If you really want to understand my point — rather than if you just want to trash me — please read any economic textbook on the difference between “structural deficits” and “recession-induced” deficits.
Also, it’s not a “bailout” when someone pays you the same salary you earned last year rather than firing you, even though you did nothing wrong.
By the way, Barney Frank SUPPORTED regulation of Fannie and Freddie and even passed a bill out of his Committee and the Democratic House within months of taking power to do just that. But Bush and the Republicans OPPOSED that regulation in 2007. Surprised? Look it up. And then maybe you’ll see that all the “facts” you think you know really aren’t facts at all. Open your eyes, Hope. You’ve been lied to.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Doug Hamilton, when you say, “you can’t spend your way out of debt,” you show a perfect understanding of microeconomics but, I’m afraid, an imperfect understanding of macroeconomics. Don’t worry. You’re in good company. Herbert Hoover thought exactly the same thing. That’s why, after Black October 1929 when the stock market crashed, he balanced the budget and turned a minor recession into the Great Depression.
In fact, a Government (but not an individual) CAN spend its way out of a recession, which is exactly what FDR did in the 1930’s and 1940’s. When an economy has unused resources, in fact, it is ONLY the Government that can stop the mutual circle of economic self-destruction of consumers not buying goods because they have no jobs and businesses not giving jobs because demand is down for their goods.
In sum, there’s not a single respected economist in America that does not think that John Maynard Keynes was right, that in times of unemployment, Government spending, plus the multiplier effect, is the solution.
If your goal is to understand what I’m saying and learn about it — even if it’s only to oppose me on a more intellectual basis –
Check these clips on my website:
Why We Need More Government Spending Now
& Economic History Lesson to FOX:
How Bush Messed Up the Economy
& Economics 101: Republicans Need Textbook on Government Spending
For more detail, please watch the last 15 minutes (begin at 0:45) from my television show here:
Don’t Drill, Baby, Drill
Spend, Baby, Spend!
That’s all, of course, if you want to understand and evaluate a position that’s different from yours. That’s what intellectuals do. I do it all the time. I constantly listen to and evaluate conservative intellectual arguments prior to responding to them.
If you wish to be uneducated and insulting, of course, you can always refuse to listen to the other side and just pretend that you know you’re right, when secretly, you must realize, that if you’ve never heard another side’s argument, you can’t possibly know what’s right or wrong.
So please listen. And comment. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Jane, the same Republican Congress under Bill Clinton gave us the largest surplus in American history and under George Bush gave us the largest deficit in American history. That tells me the difference had nothing to do with who was in Congress but who was in the Presidency. Clinton would never have allowed the profligate spending in good times that George Bush and Dick “Deficits Don’t Matter” Cheney gave us.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Steve Brandt,
Wow, where to begin. Let’s just say you have no idea what you’re talking about. If you think the Government runs the financial and health care industries, you need to check with a real socialist, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, to see why he complains so fiercely about the power of big corporations.
Socialism is Medicare and Social Security. And both programs are well loved by the vast majority (more than 90% of Americans). We thrive best with a mixture of capitalism and socialism.
July 15th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Mark,
You are in the select class of educated idiot…..just listened to a small portion of you on Fox..You label someone who thinks obama is a socialist as uneducated and not quite as smart as you…..you are an elitist punk. So, in your little world, if someone has a different view from you, you react like a spoiled little brat……I am college educated and would debate your spoiled, ingnorant, leftist views any time. I know your kind…spoiled little rich kid that was picked on and bullied as a child.. mommy and daddy set you up in your comfortable lifestyle, because they knew you couldn’t make it on your own…….i’ve got you figured out……here is your biggest problem…you may be book smart…..but quite ignorant in life settings….you are a small person with no moral values…w/ nothing to fall back on
Robin Eberle
July 15th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Robin, remove the insults for just a second, if that’s possible for you, and see what’s left of your argument.
All you have left is that you really really really don’t like what a poll said. You hate the poll that showed overwhelmingly that far fewer of the educated believe Obama is a socialist than the uneducated.
This isn’t my “label.” This is a poll. Do you challenge the poll’s methodology? Don’t like it? Tell me why this poll and the many like it are wrong, rather than insulting me.
But you feel better insulting me rather than engaging in rational argument, don’t you? And what does that say about you? That you don’t know logic and can only resort to insult? I don’t know. But clearly, you must realize, with your college education, that insult and ad hominem attacks in place of logical argument are the province of those that already realize they are wrong and know they are powerless to use logic, intellect, or facts to fight their point.
So call me names all you like. It just goes to prove my point that you know I’m right and can’t make a cogent argument against it.
If you can make a cogent argument against this poll, please do so. If you don’t know how to make a cogent argument, let me help you.
1) Tell me why this poll is wrong. Attack its methodology.
2) If you can’t attack its methodology, then you must concede that uneducated people call Obama a socialist more frequently than educated people do.
But having concede that point, you could still make a cogent argument to explain the clear discrepancy other than lack of education. You could argue, for example, that it’s a mere coincident, that, for example, Republicans are far more uneducated that Democrats and since Republicans are far more likely to use “socialist” as an epithet against Obama, the correlation between uneducated and the use of the word “socialist” is not a direct correlation but that both are correlated with Republicans.
In other words, you could argue, that it’s not because people are uneducated that they call Obama socialist, it’s because Republicans call Obama socialist and Republicans are more uneducated and therefore, both uneducation and the socialist epithet are just correlative of Republicanism rather than each other.
Or perhaps you have some other argument? If you do, I’d like to hear it!
Sadly, though, people who insult me almost NEVER can construct a cogent argument against my views. If they could, they wouldn’t resort to insults!
July 16th, 2010 at 1:44 am
U tend to agree with mark on Gov’t spending to pump the economy for the working stiffs. I have seen many a small business and many a corporation borrow to grow their business.
Seen them borrow to tough times when incomes had no disposability to purchase their products.
If the debt was more important to republicans they would have been concerned during the real spending years of Bush. Bot to take any pressure off President Obama to mind the debt. Yet, republicans seem bent on making Democrats pay off their ran up Gov’t credit debt.
many business take on debt (as risk) to grow their business. Doesn’t one invest money to increase theri profits?
There are other issues that must comply with this re investing into America. Investing in sustainable investments such as solar energy devices for example. Making them here which provides jobs that produces things made by our own natural resources. Vjanging policis on trade is one of those impotant legislative items that must be addressed with or without republicans. Our trade imbalance is at critical mass.
If you are working and think that you are safe in job security and a livable enviroment and it will stay that way for you.. If you think the mythical free market will wave its mysterious hand and correct al of this, then you are mistaken.
Here is something President Bush could have done to prevent some of this debt. Instead of giving two tax cuts to the wealthy during a time af two wats he borrowed to fund with interests to be repayed later by our children and grand children. President Bush could have not done the tax cuts during two wars. But the opposite. The president should have put a WAR TAX in place until the wars were over and the war debt was paid off. President Bush must have thought that a War Tax might stress conserative patriotism of fighting such wars.
July 16th, 2010 at 2:29 am
Mark,
With FOX and friends like these who needs enemies?
I would like to say that when people bandy around “socialist” as something evil. They are attaching it to all those years of the soviet commmunist cold wars. Times of the nasty red Commie. Although they think nothing of it to purchase goods made in RED CHINA ! Nothing at all to have their beloved President Bush borrowing money from “COMMUNIST RED CHINA”! That our patriotic Amereican CEO’s moved to produce their product in RED COMMUNIST CHINA.
when a big oil deposit was found off the coast of Lybia, President Bush decided Mohamar kadafi was no longer a terrorist threat and before you can say big oil profits, Exxon/Mobil was drilling there and Lybia and America were best buddies.
yet on the “socailism” slander. If any of these folks have ever served in the military they would understand that it is drilled in your head in boot camp that you are as strong as the weakest link.
Socialism.
No it is not like the ARMY recruiting ad that boasts of, “an ARMY of one”. The one means WE.
No one wants Gov’t making their TV’s but I do not want ENRON legislating law or Goldman Sachs interpreting the Constitution which we will live by. AIG proved that private sectors cannot do everything better than Gov’t.
Gov’t is us not the corporate boards. But many want corporations to run us. A Blackwater employee that provides security for embassies cost Gov’t/tax payers about 20 to 30 times more than when the embassy security jobs were provided by the U.S> Marines and the marines were better at it.
Do these folks want pure corporatism? I know very well they don’t want Gov’t out of our lives as they say because they want Gov’t to get between a woman and her doctor when Abortion is on the table?
By the way, you sure have a knack at making friends.
July 18th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
“Oh, stop insulting me, even though I insult people all the time because I’m better than they are” says the democratic party brown nose looking for validation in his pointless little existence. The same old tired liberal line of thinking. You’re stuck in it and will never get out of it. Obama was raised by a communist, he sought out radicals (socialists and communists) in college because that was who he identified with, he attended a church FOR 20 YEARS that is run by a socialist that preaches socialist views. It looks like a whore, smells like a whore, talks like a whore…therefore it is a whore. He is a socialist you fucking moron. There is nothing to debate. You’re an elitist clown. You think you can talk around a point like this but you can’t. You’re attempting to be relevant and you’re not. Obama is a socialist, period. No degree of twisting or spinning will change that. But you go ahead and insult people that don’t have “your education.” “Intellectuals” like you are a joke because you lack anything resembling common sense. The dems are done in November asshole. Then you’ll have something new to bitch about…and we can ignore you.
July 18th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Of course Chariaman NObama`s a Socialist, no question. Along the same theme, per your FoxNews interview with Kevin James, if you said that all who pay into Socialist Insecurity will get benefits, please set the record straight. FICA payers who don`t live to collect any Socialist Insecurity benefits, or have no eligible survivors, lose their `contributions` to the government.
If I misstated your position, I stand corrected.
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:36 am
hope , the recession is why california is in debt..LOL ! heres a few reason and it’s been going on for years… to big of a government , cap and trade , taxes , illegal immigrants and people think they can mix up a special drink to live forever. and now because they are broke they want to legalize pot for revenue ! the state is ran by idiots spelled democrats and progressive democrats and the only way the state will ever start to get out of the hole is when pelosi , boxer and other get kicked out.
and obama is a socialist , lets see , he for government run healthcare( like russia and canada) whats say so about what cars are built by his own words, wants control over insurance companys(refer to the healthcare bil ) banks( financial reform)err, sorry consumer protection ! wall stret , credit card companys.. again , under consumer protection.. wait , i get it, i spelled socialist wrong !! it’s spelled “CONSUMER PROTECTION” . HEY MARK… arent the courts there for a reason ? or is obama above that ! he’s a constitutional scholar too !
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:39 am
mark , government is us ? then why when “us” say we dont want something and the government ignores it , you call that “us ” !
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:43 am
harry , also , when social ecurity and medi care started it was about people paying in and they got back. but government decided to open the door and misuse it. thats the shape it’s in now and why . socialism mark is when government takes from you and gives it to someone else . in this case obama takes it and calls it consumer protection because obama is using the clause in the constitution saying the governments job is to “protect us ” as an excuse to use consumer protection to violate the constitution and get by with it.
August 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 am
I have to give Rich the “Glenn Beck crying patriot tears award” for his, Rich Says:
July 18th, 2010 at 5:44 pm comment.
Written like a person that does too much shouting at others and less listening. You think he believes he is really convincing anyone of his ideas. Because all I read in his excelent post are FOX’s unsubstanciated accusations. For instance, Obama is a Muslim ! But Rich states Obama went to a Christian church?
It amazes me when people think America belongs to them only and the rest of America don’t count. Although when he talks about America as republican, why would republicans vote Dems in 2006, Why was it a “Thumping” in the House and the Senate, why? In 2008 McCain and Palin won what when Rich’s America voted? If America was right wing, like what Rich sees on FOX everyday, Obama would not be his President right?
Too many people approach Gov’t with political party as a sport and its about winning and not about America at all. Because when you use your freedom to hate all Americans of the America he loves so much?
August 14th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Great job sticking it to that women wind bag Mark. I think you are right. Its the dim that think O is Red.
August 14th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
And next time tell them your name is Mark not Mike!